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Re: Evicting Demons 13 years, 9 months ago #21

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channelpirate wrote:
Music aside - can I ask what evidence there is of demon's exisiting? Many talk about them but where is the proof (since surely that's what investigating is about). Surely somewhere there is footage of a table or something being thrown across the room.

Aside from a physical proof we are left with the 'effect' they have on people but can we say that there is not some predisposition around mental health? And what about fear? Most of us have been afraid at some point but, thinking personally, i can say that it didn't stand scrutiny after the event. Just trying to be objective.
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Or perhaps I could say 'Play devil's advocate' but then is the devil not a creation of a religeon that, if it has a personification of good then must have one of evil? Going back to the 'How to deal with a non Christian demon' what ever happened before Christinity came along? In the overall scheme of things I think the terminolgy is generally unhelpful and we should be focussing on the facts. If someone has paranormal activity going on and it is affecting them then calling it a demon will increase their fear thus providing more energy. I know that many people will disagree but I personally have found that the first step in stopping this activity is for the householder to understand the limitations that this activity can have on them, reducing their fear through knowledge and their strength in asserting their right to live where they are.


Well said and true.
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Re: Evicting Demons 13 years, 9 months ago #22

Very true, ChannelPirate,

Darkness and light coexist, the Ying and Yang, Isis and Nephthys. Personally I believe true evil is a product of mankind and shouldn't be confused with darkness.
"Dead men have no need of pretense. What I seek is truth, light beyond light beyond Light. There are those who will tell you a different story. Who is to say which is right? But this I know: what I've seen with the naked eye has been fantasy, perhaps; but what I've known with the heart has been truth." ~Awakening Osiris
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Re: Evicting Demons 13 years, 9 months ago #23

Steven Matrix wrote:
channelpirate wrote:
Music aside - can I ask what evidence there is of demon's exisiting? Many talk about them but where is the proof (since surely that's what investigating is about). Surely somewhere there is footage of a table or something being thrown across the room.

Aside from a physical proof we are left with the 'effect' they have on people but can we say that there is not some predisposition around mental health? And what about fear? Most of us have been afraid at some point but, thinking personally, i can say that it didn't stand scrutiny after the event. Just trying to be objective.
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Or perhaps I could say 'Play devil's advocate' but then is the devil not a creation of a religeon that, if it has a personification of good then must have one of evil? Going back to the 'How to deal with a non Christian demon' what ever happened before Christinity came along? In the overall scheme of things I think the terminolgy is generally unhelpful and we should be focussing on the facts. If someone has paranormal activity going on and it is affecting them then calling it a demon will increase their fear thus providing more energy. I know that many people will disagree but I personally have found that the first step in stopping this activity is for the householder to understand the limitations that this activity can have on them, reducing their fear through knowledge and their strength in asserting their right to live where they are.


Well said and true.


I agree. Negative energy is.certainly separate and fear May be able to feed negative energy.

Demons are something else tho...like I said..I would avoid.that at all costs.
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Re: Evicting Demons 13 years, 9 months ago #24

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Hinduism advocates the theory of reincarnation and transmigration of souls according to one's Karma. Souls (Atman) of the dead are adjudged by the Yama and are accorded various purging punishments before being reborn. Humans that have committed extraordinary wrongs are condemned to roam as lonely, often evil, spirits for a length of time before being reborn. Many kinds of such spirits (Vetalas, Pishachas, Bhūta) are recognized in the later Hindu texts. These beings, in a limited sense, can be called demons.
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Re: Evicting Demons 13 years, 9 months ago #25

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"Demons" have never had a body therefore they have no religion

Now as far as the dark spirits.. I believe it honestly doesn't matter what religion that spirit was Every religion out there has their own belief as to how to make the dark spirits & the "demons" go away. I believe it has to do with the faith in the person who is experiencing the "evil" "dark" things on if they go away.

I have dealt with & experienced "dark" entities growing up & present.. I have not had a professional or someone with experience get rid of them I have done what someone has said Prayed & ask for all those loved one's who's passed on to help me & guide me with the light to help.

Now I think the ones That are really bad & the "demons" need to be dealt with by people Who have spent years studying them (professionals)

Again I believe it doesn't matter the religion All religions have their own way of dealing with the dark side.
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Re: Evicting Demons 13 years, 9 months ago #26

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TressesOfNephthys wrote:
Very true, ChannelPirate,

Darkness and light coexist, the Ying and Yang, Isis and Nephthys. Personally I believe true evil is a product of mankind and shouldn't be confused with darkness.


Here's another crazy theory Tress; becaue light and dark coexist, a balance if you will; what if some of which is darkness does so voluntarily because it/they know that in order for soul growth to occur, we need the ability to exercise free will. Without both sides of the balance equation, there is no evolution of the soul.

My wife and I found out while involved in the metaphysical arena [same when we were in the church] that most want to exist in the "love and light" bubble; thinking of only the positive and of love, light, changing your reality, etc. What we found is that the negative exists, no matter what people believe; and it is that negative side that aids in our growth.
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Re: Evicting Demons 13 years, 9 months ago #27

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Shower time input LOL:
People often mistranslate their feelings of not understanding an event with feeling of fear. We fear what we do not understand and we feel threatened by what we fear. We immediately label an event so we can deal with it.

Many people wear religious blinders that prevent them from seeing the truth, they would rather rely upon folklore, hearsay or the opinions of their priest, rabbi, ministers, etc. then to develop an understanding of the dead.

IMO Ghosts are like people and can become angry and upset by rudeness and disrespect. Consider "road rage" and remember, we take with us our attitudes and emotions when we cross to the other side.

Anger is an emotion and we have already said ghosts have emotions, so now one can understand that ghosts can be angry just as the living can be angry.
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Re: Evicting Demons 13 years, 9 months ago #28

My 2yen lol

Channel pirate you nailed it. Couldn't have said it better myself.

The post on Hinduism is an interesting point to throw in actually. I have been studying Asian mythology a lot lately and find Hinduism fascinating. Many religions and belief systems offer up the same images of such beings and only relatively recently in the grand scheme of things did Christianity come along and label this "demon"

Eclectic you have the most inspiring showers! lol I wholeheartedly agree with your last post.
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Re: Evicting Demons 13 years, 9 months ago #29

Steven Matrix wrote:
TressesOfNephthys wrote:
Very true, ChannelPirate,

Darkness and light coexist, the Ying and Yang, Isis and Nephthys. Personally I believe true evil is a product of mankind and shouldn't be confused with darkness.


Here's another crazy theory Tress; becaue light and dark coexist, a balance if you will; what if some of which is darkness does so voluntarily because it/they know that in order for soul growth to occur, we need the ability to exercise free will. Without both sides of the balance equation, there is no evolution of the soul.

My wife and I found out while involved in the metaphysical arena [same when we were in the church] that most want to exist in the "love and light" bubble; thinking of only the positive and of love, light, changing your reality, etc. What we found is that the negative exists, no matter what people believe; and it is that negative side that aids in our growth.


I agree, Steve, darkness and light, positivity and negativity exist in different ratios in everyone. It's a matter of achieving balance. No offense to anyone but trying to exist in a positivity bubble and rejecting everything negative is slightly delusional. There are just things that suck, situations that suck, people that suck. You can try to put a positive spin on things if that is what you need to achieve balance. I have an aunt that for a while was sort of like that. Nothing could get her down. Nothing at all wrong with being upbeat, quite the contrary. But upon relaying a story that my father was going around telling everyone that I named my son after him (if you know me you know I would have NEVER done that), she was basically like, "Oh, your dad is such a funny guy!" Not that I want her or anyone to suffer. Just face reality. Not everything is cheerful and rosy and it's not meant to be.
"Dead men have no need of pretense. What I seek is truth, light beyond light beyond Light. There are those who will tell you a different story. Who is to say which is right? But this I know: what I've seen with the naked eye has been fantasy, perhaps; but what I've known with the heart has been truth." ~Awakening Osiris
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Re: Evicting Demons 13 years, 9 months ago #30

Exactly. In my life I have experienced quite a bit of negative from the death of many loved ones before they were 30, the loss of a child, an NDE, and a 2 rather serious medical issues just to name a few.

A part of my personal belief system that follows Buddhism quite closely I feel that these events do indeed create a balance in life that help us learn and move closer to enlightenment. If life was all sunshine and lollipops there would be nothing to learn and IMO our spirit would gain nothing from such an imbalanced existence

I think one could easily say in my position that I am cursed or that there is "a demon on my back" but I simply see this as partof the grand scheme of things. I would be nowhere near where I am today intellectually or spiritually if I hadn't been through what I have in my life.
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