Dear Mr Matrix
what i wrote is not my only belief as far as Orb's gothat is just one
slice of the pie you may say.99% of the time Orb's are not dust or
bugs,drops of rain.
but i must say that a large number of photos we see are not paranormal.
as for myself i really do believe that there is more to this then drops of
rain,bugs,dust etc, and one day we will find out the truth.

This is why we are all here, and do what we do.

I'm kind of thinking that most everyone here is saying the same thing, just in a different way and perhaps with different emphasis.

If what I'm reading here is correct, there seems to be a general (yet passionate) consensus that much of the still photographs which are taken with flash enabled, are simply artifacts created by the flash itself and exasperated by the fact that often a cheaper camera is used in taking those photos. (I'm guilty as charged of that as well)

And I also think that there is a general consensus that real orbs do exist, and are more than simply artifacts. And are energy or paranormal in nature. The origin of orbs (sounds like a great title for a scientific paper) still doesn't have a real consensus. And perhaps that's something we can spend some time on for future debates.

Does that sound like a correct assessment of a basic general consensus? If so, perhaps we can use that as a spring board to try to bring some more wide-spread consensus to our collective knowledge. Passions are great and a powerful thing, when focused. But unfocused they can bring the train to a screeching halt.

Ocean County Paranormal Research wrote:


As CC said, I think we are saying the same thing. I am saying that 99% of the time, orb pics are not paranormal. On the contrary, they are the result of what has been discussed above, not to mention the fact also that they are the result of these things when point and shoot digital cameras are used.

In the end, there is more proof [through knowledge of the workings of a camera] that most orb photos are little more than scrap book pics. The 1% I mentioned at the beginning are something different however. Still, even the 1%, for me, aren't worth taking much time by spending hours to try to evaluate in Photoshop. I'd rather be out taking other photos.

Steven Matrix wrote:


I hear you, but I also think that its important to remember that without going over photos, there may be important finding which could get missed. After all, not all paranormal evidence will wave a glowing red flag and yell "Here I am, LOOK AT ME!!!".

Or maybe I've just been looking at the wrong paranormal evidence. To me at least, the search is important as well. But with a good healthy dose of reality and a critical eye.

Steven Matrix wrote:


Would be great to know Steven, but you know, you bring a translator with you eh jajajal! A hug from Spain friend

Grupo Alpha wrote:


We have a tranlator my friend. Lol. She is from Spain [Asturias] and wants to take us with her. Maybe we'll see you there.

crystalcross wrote:


I completely understand CC that a person like yourself would want to go over things like photos so that the evidence can be supported by the well thought out research. A person in my thought/position doesn't do that often; simply because I don't want to say "here it is, here it is". I don't point things out to people in my photography often because, in all honesty; I'm not what you would call a spirit or paranormal photographer. In reality, there is no such kind of photographer anyway, regardless of what they may tell people. Lol. I always say "let the photo inspire and let the viewer be affected in their own way" rather than having me program it into them.

I'd rather have people tell me what they see; this tells me that the photo has touched them in some way; without any influence from me.

Steven Matrix wrote:


Hah! Well that right there, is the difference between a photographer and an artist.

By definition a photographer is someone who records images. An artist is one who captures visions, and influences minds.

You, are an artist... and visionary...

crystalcross wrote:


Thanks my friend. I think that one of the most important parts of this journey is how we influence [with no agenda] others for the good. The best way to do that for me is to step back and be quiet once the image has been created.

Steven Matrix wrote:



Asturias is a beautiful land, full of legends and mysteries that you'll love, sure. Tell your friend to take you to the Solvay-Lieres Mine going to surprise you.