Well said Pete. Since the real meaning of the word "demonologist" changed, people can make it whatever they want to today to go with whatever agenda they may have.

It seems to me that the meaning was changed to maybe keep people from discovering the truth; meaning that what was known as "supernatural" was probably more "natural". That's one of the reasons we exist here; to discover hidden truths.

I am sorry...did that come across as a defense of Zaffis?

Granted, depending on your particular school of thought (I was admittedly referring to the people that I have met in the field - small sampling) he might be regarded as a moon-bat, charlatan, (insert word of your choice here). I just meant that a lot of people like him and listen to what he has to say. That's all. He is not some fringe element that only a few have heard of whether that is good or bad.

My post then went on to say that I disagree with him on several points. Those are just my opinions and I hope that was clear. I state that I believe in object attachments, but that I think they are not any more common than other types of attachments. His show makes it sound like most hauntings have that basis and I disagree. Once again...just an opinion.

He claims the title demonologist. That is not part of my studies so I tend to keep my opinions on that very limited. Yes, I believe in them. Yes, they respond to religeous ceremony whether by divinity or by intent. No, they are not common. Once again those are opinions.

So where was my error?

Steven Matrix wrote:


I have to agree. Virtually every period of mankind's history is riddled with forms of entities that were either benevolent or hostile to them. They've apparently been around as long as mankind..probably longer. I don't do the whole religion thing because I understand that to be a man made construct. It's a way that a group of people perhaps perceive and believe in the divine but that does NOT make it FACT.
I get really put out with so-called 'experts' making claims they're going to clean it all up. The funny thing is I never hear a follow up story. I do believe that there are evil entities, demons, diamons, djinn..whatever you want to call them out there. I also believe that at the end of the day we are no closer to really knowing what they are and what they are really doing. I believe providing we don't blow ourselves up we may just learn what these beings are and what roll they play in the grand scheme of things

osty wrote:


It can be really creepy sounding then, because it will be playing backwards.

I don't believe anyone said you were in error, or that you were defending Zaffis. We're just continuing the discussion.

I quote "While I don't know John and am not in your type of circle Wes, I would like to know how he got a "good reputation". I've seen similar instances where people say others have a good reputation and brag on another's platform. My question is "Who says so?" I would have to disagree that he's a good demonologist [at this time anyway] as who has the proof that he is? Nobody."

Just sorta sounded that way. Maybe I read it wrong. That why I asked for the clarification.

Wes_Forsythe wrote:


Error? I see no errors in your post Wes. You said that in your field John is respected. I was responding to "those in your field"; not you per se. You never came across as defending him. Maybe I was a little strong and I apologize if I was.

I do believe in dark entities. I don't refer to them as demons as I stay as far from religious terms as I can; only because it is part of my journey's past. As far as them responding to religious ceremonies; I would have to say that anything that the catholic church has to say about their power over spirits I will dismiss [a whole other subject in itself]. I completely agree however about the intent. Couldn't we just do without the titles though? Lol.

Now we can have a discussion...lol.

My belief is that not all "dark" entities are demons by the way. Plenty of human spirits are evil I suspect. And there is a lot of earthy elemental stuff that I know nothing about.

Amanda_O wrote:


You know why man constructed it? Control and cha-ching [$$$]. You won't hear a follow up story. They have to keep repeating their claims so the money will keep rolling in. Lol.

Wes_Forsythe wrote:


Agreed. I think we can all agree that there's more that we don't know than what we do.