crystalcross most of the time i agree with you my friend this time i will disagree also not sure what beck_ncps has made her findings on but i do agree with her for the most part because i have took the same approach as her and honestly it dosent matter i have i do have a cheap brand and a very exspensive one and from what i have found i get the same thing if not better from a lets say a rca from walmart but i do respect your input my friend

While I agree with both sides.. this is a fact.. if its garbling up the human voice.. chances are the imprinted one, or the one on the white noise will not be 100% as well, due to either environmental factors or the like.


I see people who say some distorted evps are not worth going through, but they i dont think that is always black and white.. if its distorting their voice and there is lots of noise that was not present in the room, its the recorder quality.


not if the speakers voices are clear and the EVP is garbled.. its a toss in, but if they are interested in what it may or may not say.. great for them.


I can say when I use the P-SB7 I obviously get some static ( using white noise...) and my responses will only be as loud as my speaker, so that is an added factor, which justifies some removal of hum/hiss to sometimes hear what is being said.

That is not the same as a recording which has static from start to finish.

I do however hear them speaking in both versions, and in both versions I don't hear anything but them.


BTW becky_ncps you keep mentioning your "job" and now live investigations, since you opened Pandora's box, i am inclined to ask.. what is it you do to make you a professional at evps?

iburyem first of all i never used the word expert my job title is classified will just say i protect the way you live right now third your the one who puts up 10000 evps a day here for all of us to say yay or nay from what i have seen when someone comments on one of your evps here and might say its nothing there you come right back with all kinds ways to make you sound right so not sure about anyone else but your the one sounds like the expert on evps and the last time i checked there are no experts in this feild and as for the p-sb7 thats a whole nother topic lol now with all that said even though i disagree with you i still respect your thoughts as you do mine have a great night

becky_ncps wrote:


Actually I never said expert... nor was I splitting hairs.. you mentioned over a couple of posts several different things, and since you were dropping more hints in several responses, such as saying your job , live investigations ect.. I assumed that had to do with your "profession" You are absolutely right, you are under no obligation to divulge your specifics.. It became somewhat apparent that you wanted people to know why your opinion was valid because of your job , i really dont hear others referencing their jobs.. unless it directly involves what they are talking about. I certainly know the top secret agencies like the CIA arent doing EVP sessions lol.

I am by no means and expert.. I can only argue on things I have knowledge with or experience, and would be more than happy to say how I learned what I learned, or what I haven't learned. I do not try to convince anyone of why something is something, i can only tell them why I have my opinion, and I have no qualms on telling them why, I came up to my opinion.. and in no way have said you are wrong.. just this is how I feel and why..

Cheers!

Wow everyone a little frisky tonight lol looks like its been a long day ill go on the record as saying i have used high and low end recorders and it really dosent make a difference im not saying im an expert lol but this is my area where im pretty strong in with evps so this is a touchy subject for me

i agree you can catch evps with both, but do the ones on the low end have lower sound quality when you get an evp? or the evp comes through crystal clear, where no distortion level has to be changed?

I know they arent the best for catching regular audio of the investigators or noises that are audible from activity (excluding evp) like voices and noises you hear with your ears.

Honestly... I have a cheap digital recorder, but I researched it before I bought it, so I dont generally have sound quality issues ( unless its with the ghost box)


Now some of my fellow investigators use the cheap Olympus and expensive ones.. the cheap ones you can barely make out anything, and the EVPS are garbled too, but I notice the ones that are somewhat audible still arent crystal clear,,, but where mine will do high frequency bursts they will pick up some in their static noise....

to be honest i think alot of it has to do with the person using it too iburyem anyone can do it but there is a right way and a wrong way depends on how long person been working with evps

Few questions,

So we have spoke about high quality and low quality recorders. How about the audio enhancement softwares? I use audacity just to amplify and attempt removal (audacity is weird sometimes it removes well, sometimes its completley F#$%#$ lol) What do you prefer?

2nd Iburyem, where can i get my hands on one of those P-SB7's? LOL I sometimes don't trust ebay, plus if i order one, i cant wait for it to arrive. Im like a kid on christmas, "WAKE UPPPPP MAHHHH WAKE UPPP CAN I OPEN MY GIFTS NOW!?!?!" LOL

3rd,I really like the sweep rate on those things. My first make shift ghost box was one of those arm strap am/fm radios you get from radio shack, cant remember the model # off hand. It has a very slow sweep, a little faster when holding down the sweep button, but none the less it was slower than a P-SB7. I still got some interesting responses. My question is do you think that there are different ways a spirit could manipulate the ghost box of that nature to where it can get bits and pieces of radio stations/frequencies to state a response besides the definite response of them using their actual voice much like the PSB7 can aquire? Awhile back i posted an EVP thread title called MIKES HARD LEMONADE. This is a prime example of my question, i asked what kind of beer i was drinking, not once but twice we heard, in different waves/frequencies/stations, it say the words mikes hard lemonade. Very odd, maybe coincidence. Tell me your opinions.

Thanks again for listening and glad this thread has gotten lots of pros n cons. GREAT imput!!

Crystalcross thank you for cleaning that up, it sounds so clear. I hear just after Sissy a voice deep voice saying something like, "Mr. Cain" or "Just decay" lol something of that nature. My name is DJ, and i did ask can you say that again, could it maybe be , "Yes DJ"? lol

When it comes to audio "Enhancement"...

First I think the term enhancement (other than conjuring nightmares of loads of Viagra spam) is a bit misleading. Because what we really are trying to stay away from is enhancing the audio, and what we're trying to achieve is to clean and reduce.

Let me elaborate a bit. I personally have no problem with removing noise, equalizing to reduce certain frequencies, slowing down, speeding up, or increasing volume. In all those instances you're not adding anything, you're simply removing clutter.

What I do have exception with is any form of manipulation which in its process adds things which were not originally there. Some forms of noise reduction do this, which is why I personally try to stay away from those. I'm sure you've heard the noise reduction which you hear squeeks and chirps. What those are doing is searching for frequency patterns, removing the base frequencies and then creating a new wave pattern with just those frequencies.

The problem with that is that definition of white noise is a semi-random sound pattern in which the average amplitude of all frequencies is roughly equal. The key there being "average". So you could conceivably have spots which have common frequencies above a certain threshold. The noise removal formulas mentioned above would hone in on that cluster, and turn it into a single frequency "Chirp". Sometimes you have to use it, but I try to minimize when it must be used.

And above all, I think its important (as I have mentioned previously) to include a full length raw version of the EVP recording. And also any supporting video. The more contextual information can be provided, the more likely it is that the listener can make their own informed decision.